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		<title>By: It&#8217;s LGBT History Month at Tallaght Library &#124; gaelick</title>
		<link>http://www.gaelick.com/2009/12/before-stonewall-the-making-of-a-gay-and-lesbian-community/5532/comment-page-1/#comment-3792</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s LGBT History Month at Tallaght Library &#124; gaelick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Month, with events taking place at Tallaght County Library each week this February. We&#8217;ve previously mentioned 20th century LGBT history from the American perspective on this blog, but it is hugely imporant, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Month, with events taking place at Tallaght County Library each week this February. We&#8217;ve previously mentioned 20th century LGBT history from the American perspective on this blog, but it is hugely imporant, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.gaelick.com/2009/12/before-stonewall-the-making-of-a-gay-and-lesbian-community/5532/comment-page-1/#comment-3103</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point!  To come close to the answer you need to look at where Gen Eisenhower was during the war years...in 1942 he was sent to England, thence to North Africa, then back to England, then on to the continent as the invasion advanced.  He was gone from the USA from 1942 onwards.  He returned only for one or two very brief leaves during the next three years.

Phelps&#039; record is easily checked; you can confirm her units and places served.  You can submit an SF-180 to the National Personnel Records Center, St Louis, MO (form available through the NARA web site).  For basic background information on Phelps look at the NARA electronic serial number file, search for Phelps#Nell#L (ASN #A-410913).  Ask specifically for information on all assignments, to include overseas assignments.

Phelps was never assigned to a place/unit/headquarters (etc.) where Gen Eisenhower was present -- she never worked for him and it is unlikely that she ever had occasion to meet him in any context.

She was a Wac corporal, never made it to sergeant.  There is no problem with her service or with her rank -- she served honorably, and was discharged honorably in the spring, 1948.  It&#039;s what she did afterwards that casts doubt.

For the most complete (and egregious) version of her story told by Phelps herself see the account of her life as recorded by Mary Ann Humphrey in _My Country, My Right to Serve_.

Her story appears in Randy Shilts generally well researched book, _Conduct Unbecoming_.  However, by the time her story was added Shilts was either very seriously ill or had already died.  His usual careful research did not take place regarding Phelps.

Alan Berube quotes her only briefly.  I&#039;d like to know why he didn&#039;t include the whole story as so many other did.  Did he suspect it wasn&#039;t true?  Guess we&#039;ll never know.

This is a story that won&#039;t die...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point!  To come close to the answer you need to look at where Gen Eisenhower was during the war years&#8230;in 1942 he was sent to England, thence to North Africa, then back to England, then on to the continent as the invasion advanced.  He was gone from the USA from 1942 onwards.  He returned only for one or two very brief leaves during the next three years.</p>
<p>Phelps&#8217; record is easily checked; you can confirm her units and places served.  You can submit an SF-180 to the National Personnel Records Center, St Louis, MO (form available through the NARA web site).  For basic background information on Phelps look at the NARA electronic serial number file, search for Phelps#Nell#L (ASN #A-410913).  Ask specifically for information on all assignments, to include overseas assignments.</p>
<p>Phelps was never assigned to a place/unit/headquarters (etc.) where Gen Eisenhower was present &#8212; she never worked for him and it is unlikely that she ever had occasion to meet him in any context.</p>
<p>She was a Wac corporal, never made it to sergeant.  There is no problem with her service or with her rank &#8212; she served honorably, and was discharged honorably in the spring, 1948.  It&#8217;s what she did afterwards that casts doubt.</p>
<p>For the most complete (and egregious) version of her story told by Phelps herself see the account of her life as recorded by Mary Ann Humphrey in _My Country, My Right to Serve_.</p>
<p>Her story appears in Randy Shilts generally well researched book, _Conduct Unbecoming_.  However, by the time her story was added Shilts was either very seriously ill or had already died.  His usual careful research did not take place regarding Phelps.</p>
<p>Alan Berube quotes her only briefly.  I&#8217;d like to know why he didn&#8217;t include the whole story as so many other did.  Did he suspect it wasn&#8217;t true?  Guess we&#8217;ll never know.</p>
<p>This is a story that won&#8217;t die&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: click here</title>
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		<dc:creator>click here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting, I didn&#039;t know her story was disputed. I&#039;ll do some research. 

On a point of information, however, I don&#039;t recall her mentioning at any stage in the documentary that this incident took place in Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting, I didn&#8217;t know her story was disputed. I&#8217;ll do some research. </p>
<p>On a point of information, however, I don&#8217;t recall her mentioning at any stage in the documentary that this incident took place in Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story about the Wac sergeant who outed herself to Gen Eisenhower is apocryphal -- it is completely false.  Phelps for whatever reason began telling this story sometime after she left the WAC in 1948.  It is true that she did serve in the WAC, two enlistments: late 1943-late 1945; spring 1946 to spring 1948.  She was a corporal (never a sergeant), she served only in the continental USA during the war. 

Following the end of the war, six months into her second enlistment, in fall of 1946, Phelps was briefly assigned to duty in Frankfurt, GE.  For whatever reason it did not work out and she was returned to the USA early in 1947 for medical treatment, which continued for over six months until the fall of 1947.  She returned to duty in the US.

Gen Eisenhower, on the other hand, left Germany in the fall 1945 to become the US Army chief of staff.  He had been gone from duty in Germany for a full year before Corporal Phelps arrived on the scene for her brief three or four month assignment.  The two were never in the same place for an Army assignment at the same time.  Her story is completely untrue.

Her story can be easily check throug an inquiry to the records repository in St Louis, MO.

It seems that once a story is repeated in writing it becomes fact.  For whatever reason Ms. Phelps vivid imagination went far beyond the facts.  She served hororably, in two enlistments, leaving the service as a corporal.  Her honorable service is commendable.  The rest of her story is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story about the Wac sergeant who outed herself to Gen Eisenhower is apocryphal &#8212; it is completely false.  Phelps for whatever reason began telling this story sometime after she left the WAC in 1948.  It is true that she did serve in the WAC, two enlistments: late 1943-late 1945; spring 1946 to spring 1948.  She was a corporal (never a sergeant), she served only in the continental USA during the war. </p>
<p>Following the end of the war, six months into her second enlistment, in fall of 1946, Phelps was briefly assigned to duty in Frankfurt, GE.  For whatever reason it did not work out and she was returned to the USA early in 1947 for medical treatment, which continued for over six months until the fall of 1947.  She returned to duty in the US.</p>
<p>Gen Eisenhower, on the other hand, left Germany in the fall 1945 to become the US Army chief of staff.  He had been gone from duty in Germany for a full year before Corporal Phelps arrived on the scene for her brief three or four month assignment.  The two were never in the same place for an Army assignment at the same time.  Her story is completely untrue.</p>
<p>Her story can be easily check throug an inquiry to the records repository in St Louis, MO.</p>
<p>It seems that once a story is repeated in writing it becomes fact.  For whatever reason Ms. Phelps vivid imagination went far beyond the facts.  She served hororably, in two enlistments, leaving the service as a corporal.  Her honorable service is commendable.  The rest of her story is not.</p>
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		<title>By: CanuckJacq</title>
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		<dc:creator>CanuckJacq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had that on VHS. I&#039;ll have to see can I get the DVDs now.

ITA that gay history is incredibly interesting. I love &quot;And the Band Played On&quot; which is more a history of HIV/AIDS, and the history of HIV/AIDS visibility and activism is all about the gays. And &quot;Milk&quot; was so inspiring. Is there anything else out there?

(I just decided to rewatch &quot;Milk&quot; tonight. awesome)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had that on VHS. I&#8217;ll have to see can I get the DVDs now.</p>
<p>ITA that gay history is incredibly interesting. I love &#8220;And the Band Played On&#8221; which is more a history of HIV/AIDS, and the history of HIV/AIDS visibility and activism is all about the gays. And &#8220;Milk&#8221; was so inspiring. Is there anything else out there?</p>
<p>(I just decided to rewatch &#8220;Milk&#8221; tonight. awesome)</p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay history fascinates me. It&#039;s something we should all be made aware of. Maybe we should include a series in the Gay Agenda? I&#039;ll have to mail the Gay Mafia and suggest it.

We have a rich history and should be proud of it. If only people bothered to tell us.

So thanks Clicks :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay history fascinates me. It&#8217;s something we should all be made aware of. Maybe we should include a series in the Gay Agenda? I&#8217;ll have to mail the Gay Mafia and suggest it.</p>
<p>We have a rich history and should be proud of it. If only people bothered to tell us.</p>
<p>So thanks Clicks <img src='http://www.gaelick.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Before Stonewall: The making of a gay and lesbian community &#124; gaelick Wiky Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Before Stonewall: The making of a gay and lesbian community &#124; gaelick Wiky Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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